Comments on: The History of Tomorrow’s Internet: Identity (iCards, pt 3) http://drstarcat.com/archives/30 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:24:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Becoming an RP with the Pamela Project (pt. 2) | drstarcat.com http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-185 Becoming an RP with the Pamela Project (pt. 2) | drstarcat.com Mon, 05 May 2008 01:42:05 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-185 [...] important posts and enable LOTS of other really cool exclusive stuff for people who can figure out how to use an iCard, so I’m SURE it will be worth your [...] […] important posts and enable LOTS of other really cool exclusive stuff for people who can figure out how to use an iCard, so I’m SURE it will be worth your […]

]]> By: Oh for crying out loud « The view from my window http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-168 Oh for crying out loud « The view from my window Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:45:29 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-168 [...] had been reading about Microsoft’s Windows cardspace, and thanks to a helpful little guide here, I created a couple of my own. Any-who, to cut a long story short, I couldn’t get them [...] […] had been reading about Microsoft’s Windows cardspace, and thanks to a helpful little guide here, I created a couple of my own. Any-who, to cut a long story short, I couldn’t get them […]

]]> By: Oh for crying out loud « The view from my window http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-167 Oh for crying out loud « The view from my window Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:44:47 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-167 [...] had been reading about Microsoft’s Windows cardspace, and thanks to a helpful little guide here, I created a couple of my own.  Any-who, to cut a long story short, I couldn’t get them [...] […] had been reading about Microsoft’s Windows cardspace, and thanks to a helpful little guide here, I created a couple of my own.  Any-who, to cut a long story short, I couldn’t get them […]

]]> By: Kim Cameron http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-152 Kim Cameron Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:34:28 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-152 Yeah, a bunch of things already fixed, a bunch in progress, a bunch still to do. Seems like you are mixing a few issues, though. Your mom and dad probably wouldn't do a print screen (and if they did, they'd probably just use the print screen key, and it would work!). Mom and dad wouldn't feel the outrage you do about having their attention focussed while selecting a card, either. I personally think there's an advantage to system modal when the decision to establish a relationship is being made. It does cause you to pause and think. You should have the option to turn this behavior off. Certainly sytem modal is not justifiable when visiting a site with whom you ALREADY have a relationship, since you are not in danger at that time. In this sense the current version goes too far. Distinguishing between initial relationship establishment and repeat visits is a key goal of the technology and helps prevent phishing (since fake site always appears to be a new site within CardSpace). I agree with everyone this is a v1 product and we are need to get to v3. But one thing to keep in mind, please: we chose to release this technology very early in the cycle so everyone in the industry could participate in the evolution of the overall technology components and produce COMPETITIVE PRODUCTS. Does it really make sense to complain that we released it early in the cycle? FYI, to make a video, do a remote desktop connection from one machine to the other, and run the video capture software on the machine from which you initiate the connection. Good to see you writing about these issues - all the best! Kim Yeah, a bunch of things already fixed, a bunch in progress, a bunch still to do.

Seems like you are mixing a few issues, though. Your mom and dad probably wouldn’t do a print screen (and if they did, they’d probably just use the print screen key, and it would work!).

Mom and dad wouldn’t feel the outrage you do about having their attention focussed while selecting a card, either.

I personally think there’s an advantage to system modal when the decision to establish a relationship is being made. It does cause you to pause and think. You should have the option to turn this behavior off.

Certainly sytem modal is not justifiable when visiting a site with whom you ALREADY have a relationship, since you are not in danger at that time. In this sense the current version goes too far.

Distinguishing between initial relationship establishment and repeat visits is a key goal of the technology and helps prevent phishing (since fake site always appears to be a new site within CardSpace).

I agree with everyone this is a v1 product and we are need to get to v3.

But one thing to keep in mind, please: we chose to release this technology very early in the cycle so everyone in the industry could participate in the evolution of the overall technology components and produce COMPETITIVE PRODUCTS. Does it really make sense to complain that we released it early in the cycle?

FYI, to make a video, do a remote desktop connection from one machine to the other, and run the video capture software on the machine from which you initiate the connection.

Good to see you writing about these issues - all the best!

Kim

]]> By: drstarcat http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-141 drstarcat Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:16:06 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-141 Hmm... I had no idea that 3.5 was available. How cool is it to have some fixes released BEFORE I even publish the review? I've made note in the post that 3.5 is available and I'll try to do a follow up on it as soon as I have some time to update. Hmm… I had no idea that 3.5 was available. How cool is it to have some fixes released BEFORE I even publish the review? I’ve made note in the post that 3.5 is available and I’ll try to do a follow up on it as soon as I have some time to update.

]]> By: Cardspace Community Bloggers http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-140 Cardspace Community Bloggers Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:42:10 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-140 <strong>Now I understand...</strong> Just as Mike acknowledges a clear explanation of XRI, I will acknowledge the most concise history of... Now I understand…

Just as Mike acknowledges a clear explanation of XRI, I will acknowledge the most concise history of…

]]> By: Mike Jones http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-132 Mike Jones Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:01:07 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-132 I wrote a piece extolling the virtues of the "History of Tomorrow's Internet" series at http://self-issued.info/?p=66. Thanks for writing it. One thing I'd be curious about though. A number of the problems you had in getting through the first-time user experience (buttons not doing what you expected them to do, unexpected extra UI steps required, etc.) were actually already addressed in the .NET Framework 3.5 release of CardSpace. I'd be curious to have you download the current version and make a follow-up post detailing what improvements you saw and what remained the same. See http://self-issued.info/?p=44 for a link to the download site. I wrote a piece extolling the virtues of the “History of Tomorrow’s Internet” series at http://self-issued.info/?p=66. Thanks for writing it.

One thing I’d be curious about though. A number of the problems you had in getting through the first-time user experience (buttons not doing what you expected them to do, unexpected extra UI steps required, etc.) were actually already addressed in the .NET Framework 3.5 release of CardSpace. I’d be curious to have you download the current version and make a follow-up post detailing what improvements you saw and what remained the same. See http://self-issued.info/?p=44 for a link to the download site.

]]> By: Mike Jones: self-issued » The History of Tomorrow’s Internet http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-131 Mike Jones: self-issued » The History of Tomorrow’s Internet Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:57:00 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-131 [...] most recent installment detailed his experiences of “how it feels for a regular person to use Cardspace”. In [...] […] most recent installment detailed his experiences of “how it feels for a regular person to use Cardspace”. In […]

]]> By: drstarcat http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-129 drstarcat Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:16:06 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-129 I'll look forward to seeing the new workflow. Will it be ready for IIW this spring? Either way, I've got a couple of posts on Higgins I want to do and then I was planning on writing about your project. I'll be in touch. I’ll look forward to seeing the new workflow. Will it be ready for IIW this spring? Either way, I’ve got a couple of posts on Higgins I want to do and then I was planning on writing about your project. I’ll be in touch.

]]> By: Pamela http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-128 Pamela Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:38:26 +0000 http://drstarcat.com/archives/30#comment-128 I couldn't agree more, we have a HUGE amount of work to do on the user ceremony around card use. I in fact had a session at last December's IIW to ask people what they *want* to see when they come to a relying party. I'm almost at a place where I can show some improvement based on people's suggestions. Almost... Cheers :) Pamela I couldn’t agree more, we have a HUGE amount of work to do on the user ceremony around card use.

I in fact had a session at last December’s IIW to ask people what they *want* to see when they come to a relying party. I’m almost at a place where I can show some improvement based on people’s suggestions. Almost…

Cheers :)

Pamela

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